of existing technology for moving energy around and make it more reliable. we would have that money available to do other stuff. >> you mentioned transportation being another route, bill. >> i live in los angeles. it's so he inefficient. >> some people would say at least over the last ten to 20 years there's been so much progress being made, whether you are talking about hybrid vehicles, cleaner engines, et cetera, but it doesn't seem like that's making a big enough impact if we want to blame transportation for being a giant contributor too. >> well, see, as i always say, i think we have to do everything all at once. we're making progress on fuel efficiency is good. >> that can be very costly too. >> just think -- well, except look at the price tag of repairing things after stuff. look at katrina and now sandy. you know, sandy wasn't especially a big hurricane, as hurricanes go. it just happened to get deflected ashore in an inopportune place, and from a geological standpoint, you know, katrina was 2005. sandy is 2012. in a sense of deep time, that's like the blink of an eye. it's just happen